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Brian
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It's amazing to me how puritan a society we still are.
It sounds like a place Senator Larry Craig might have visited when he was in town for the 1996 Republican convention. |
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dchestney
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| confused92101--I have never offered an opinion as to whether this is or is not "a good time to buy." I am one of the few people posting here who hasn't expressed an opinion. You don't like gay bathouses; I don't like rowdy bars. What's the diff? |
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LoonyQT
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| why aren't there any hetero bathhouses is what I want to know... |
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RottedOak
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Posted By LoonyQT on 07/31/2008 8:24 PM
why aren't there any hetero bathhouses is what I want to know...
I would assume relative lack of interest in anonymous sex on the part of heterosexual women makes such an institution nonviable.
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LoonyQT
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| are bathhouses really legal? |
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stevemetro
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| 07/31/2008 10:15 PM |
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| Am impressed that there are some sensible brains here...the Vulcan has been contributing to the tax base of this city for longer than most of you have been around...they never bother their neighbors...and for the newcomers in Bosa or any other project; trust me, the patrons of Vulcan have no interest in you... so cut the hypocritical busybody crap and get on with your lives...lest you be labeled with the hypocritical Republican pigs like Larry Craig... maybe you yourselves are "closet cases" |
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Asher
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| 08/01/2008 11:28 AM |
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I just about fell out of my chair when I read someone describing downtown as a family neighborhood. Sure there are families, but downtown is characterized by the drastically more singles, couples and empty-nesters. Gee, maybe that's why there are 1.45 people per household downtown, probably the lowest in the entire city.
Besides that, who cares? I'd have no problem raising a family near a bath house. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and there's certainly nothing wrong with having sex. |
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mistermark
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| 08/03/2008 5:17 PM |
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92101Resident, you seem to be really obsessed with sex. With all of the activity in Little Italy, the fact that you're so bothered by the gay sex club makes this clear.
The same crap was happening in the Castro district in San Francisco. Suddenly, because it became a more desirable place for hetero couples and their little babies, a lot of them felt they had the right to dictate how businesses in the neighborhood conducted themselves. They were upset that there were - horrors! - pictures of naked men on some of the storefront windows!
You know, a lot of gays in Hillcrest haven't been happy with the huge influx of straight people over the last several years. Maybe they should move toward keeping straight clubs out of Hillcrest (and yes, there are a few of them in Hillcrest).
You're offended by the gay sex club. I'm offended by you.
It's amazing how narrow-minded some people are. I guess if you're not a minority, you have no idea what it's like to live with diversity around you.
Try to LIVE AND LET LIVE. I promise - you'll be a happier person if you do. |
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mistermark
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| 08/03/2008 5:22 PM |
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One more thing, 92101Res: I happen to know that there is a small STRAIGHT porn company located on Kettner in Little Italy.
So now you have another established business to offend you in your neighborhood - unless it's only gay sex that bothers you so much. |
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Eugene
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| 08/03/2008 5:28 PM |
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| Not that there's anything wrong with it! |
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dchestney
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| 08/03/2008 5:38 PM |
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| mistermark--I am fully on your side, but please don't try to drive my wife and me out of Hillcrest. We bought here 6 years ago for several reasons, but one of them was the reputation that "gay neightborhoods" have for supporting the kinds of restaurants, stores, and general ambience we like. We don't cause any trouble and, with the benefit of a few more years of experience living here can probably be tolerated as no problem for the neighborhood. |
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UnsureBuyer
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| 08/03/2008 5:56 PM |
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Posted By dchestney on 08/03/2008 5:38 PM
mistermark--I am fully on your side, but please don't try to drive my wife and me out of Hillcrest.
roflmao... I'm dying here. I can see it now, a rowdy gang of leather clad men and Prada wearing yuppies trying to drive out this poor little couple hiding in the walk in closet of their million dollar loft overlooking Balboa Park.
I wouldn't be so harsh on the new little Italy resident. Fear generally comes from ignorance. Practice the mantra: Live and let live. I bet this poor woman doesn't even know any gay people. In any case, Ms. Little Italy resident, don't fret. Those frequenting the bath house won't try to snatch a child from the high school and drag them inside for illicit sexual activities. Don't worry, the children won't be able to walk up to the windows and peek inside. These kids get much more illicit material from the internet anyway.
Someone asked about legality: yes, they're legal based on the city ordinances. I believe SF had an ordinance that basically required all these "PSAs" to require condom use and ban drugs/alcohol. I think LA has similar rules. Not sure about SD because for the longest time, I think the city denied the existence of non-heterosexuals. |
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UnsureBuyer
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| 08/03/2008 6:08 PM |
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lastly, yes Brian, we're very puritanical here in the US. I have some very good friends in Europe (some are very religious), and they're always surprised by American sensibilities. We can watch people get slaughtered / riddled with bullets and not even flinch. However, if we see a naked person, we go crazy. We're so sexually repressed here, and interestingly enough have the largest/most lucrative porn industry in the world.
That said, Europeans are just as "unenlightened" about homosexuality there as we are here (kind of depends on the age of the person). My French friends think that everyone in SF must be gay and wear dresses. My German friend was surprised that Americans (at least the Californians he met) were so open and accepting towards homosexuality. So, yeah, ignorance is something that should be snuffed out. |
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UnsureBuyer
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| 08/03/2008 7:09 PM |
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Posted By 92101Resident on 08/03/2008 6:54 PM
As to SF, I grew up in that city and frankly SF has no comparison to SD because last time I checked, SD was a pretty conservative city where people do try to value quality of life and morals over almighty dollar (this is for those who think that just because a business is paying taxes then that should be OK).
Hmm, that's mighty preachy. If you haven't noticed, those on high pedestals take rather nasty tumbles. Look around you, does San Diego provide health care for all its residents? Nope. San Francisco does. Does San Diego provide the mentally ill with proper care? Nope, we dump them on the street to fend for themselves (I know because that happened to my mother, thank G-d that she has children to take care of her). San Francisco has several organizations (including national ones) dedicated solely to the care of the mentally ill. As a city, I find San Diego to be much more morally lacking than San Francisco. I'm a native of San Diego, and I grew up in Scripps Ranch (where I live today). People only care about themselves (or about being better than others) in this city. I find that morally corrupt. Quality of life isn't just for oneself, it's for all those in the community. |
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92101Resident
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| 08/03/2008 7:12 PM |
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Posted By UnsureBuyer on 08/03/2008 7:09 PM Posted By 92101Resident on 08/03/2008 6:54 PM
Hmm, that's mighty preachy. If you haven't noticed, those on high pedestals take rather nasty tumbles. Look around you, does San Diego provide health care for all its residents? Nope. San Francisco does. Does San Diego provide the mentally ill with proper care? Nope, we dump them on the street to fend for themselves (I know because that happened to my mother, thank G-d that she has children to take care of her). San Francisco has several organizations (including national ones) dedicated solely to the care of the mentally ill. As a city, I find San Diego to be much more morally lacking than San Francisco. I'm a native of San Diego, and I grew up in Scripps Ranch (where I live today). People only care about themselves (or about being better than others) in this city. I find that morally corrupt. Quality of life isn't just for oneself, it's for all those in the community. Ask you mother about her thoughts on gay sex club!!!! |
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UnsureBuyer
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| 08/03/2008 7:20 PM |
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| She wouldn't like them. I never said I liked them either. I would rather have a Starbucks than a bath house (unless it's a Japanese styled bath house, then I'd probably go because those are pretty nice and generally don't tolerate any erotic activities). But there you are, you have a gay sex sauna in your neighborhood. Live with it. |
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92101Resident
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| 08/03/2008 7:25 PM |
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Oh thanks! Isn't that what you were just trying to preach to me! "Think of others instead of just yourself". So isn't that what City of SD did to your mother: buzz off and live with it.
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dchestney
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| 08/03/2008 7:51 PM |
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| Fortunately, none of this chatter is likely to have any effect on Club Vulcan. |
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UnsureBuyer
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At least I can have the delicious delight of knowing that you live next to a gay sex sauna while I live next to million dollar mansions with lots of family oriented neighbors.
dc, I think it might even drum up some more business. |
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mistermark
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| 08/03/2008 8:32 PM |
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Posted By dchestney on 08/03/2008 5:38 PM
mistermark--I am fully on your side, but please don't try to drive my wife and me out of Hillcrest. We bought here 6 years ago for several reasons, but one of them was the reputation that "gay neightborhoods" have for supporting the kinds of restaurants, stores, and general ambience we like. We don't cause any trouble and, with the benefit of a few more years of experience living here can probably be tolerated as no problem for the neighborhood.
No, no, I wasn't on any kind of anti-hetero screed. I was just pointing out to 92101 that sometimes the old residents are fine with the way things are, and don't need moralists to come in and tell them how to "clean up" their neighborhoods. |
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